Ram Still Bests New F150 In M.T. Comparison

"Milky" (jordanmielke) 11/25/2014 at 14:34 • Filed to: EcoDiesel, EcoBoost, Ram, F150, Ford, Chevy, Silverado, Motor Trend

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Ecodiesel VS Ecosport …. ohh and a Silverado showed up with a 5.3L V8 because Chevy still thinks its 2002.

!!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! summed up their review with:

Also lets not forget the Ram is the oldest of this group, by a large amount. Just imagine how good the next one will be. Can the Ram get a larger share of the market finally?

Celebratory image dump

Nibby > Milky 11/25/2014 at 14:36

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DAT RAM DOE <3

Jedidiah > Milky 11/25/2014 at 14:37

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These are badass, but I hate the grill.

MultiplaOrgasms > Milky 11/25/2014 at 14:38

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One does not simply dodge a Ram. Not even with a Ford.

Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. > Milky 11/25/2014 at 14:38

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I wish the rest of the Dodge lineup were as reliable as their trucks. I miss my old Ramcharger sometimes. 318 4wd and NOT an SUV it was a TRUCK! (pic, not mine, but damn near identical)

Milky > Nibby 11/25/2014 at 14:39

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RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Milky 11/25/2014 at 14:40

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I still have to make disgusted noises over Ram being a separate brand, after only, oh, nearly a hundred years of Dodge as a truck-focused brand.

Milky > Jedidiah 11/25/2014 at 14:42

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I don't love the grill or the graphics either …. they had to respond to the better selling Raptor though.

But you can still get it without all of the flash.

G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 > Milky 11/25/2014 at 14:43

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My favourite ram is the 1500 express. mix one muscle-car engine, over 2 tons of truck, 20" rims, and the coolest of exterior upgrades. now unleash that on the public for under $25,000

Party-vi > Milky 11/25/2014 at 14:43

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"Sorry, we can't here you over our F150 sales"

~ Ford

Milky > Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. 11/25/2014 at 14:44

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Those were so cool and the best fucking name in the biz.

Nibbles > Jedidiah 11/25/2014 at 14:46

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Compared to Ford's

Chevy's

and Toyota's,

The current Dodge Ram grill is quite tame IMHO

Milky > G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 11/25/2014 at 14:49

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The Tradesman is still the best HP/$ out there!

Sweet Trav > Milky 11/25/2014 at 14:49

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I'd still take the Chevy. Let each of them turn 180k and lets see which one still runs like the day it left the factory. I have very little faith that the Ecoboost engines will last much past 100k, I can only imagine the cost of maintenance on the EcoDiesel.

Also the Payload on the Eco Diesel doesnt even meet the half ton criteria for a "Half-Ton" Truck. 960 lbs? please. The Chevy is almost double and has the highest towing capability. i don't know how that is considered "completely outclassed".

Milky > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 11/25/2014 at 14:49

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I do hope they go back on that like they did the SRT brand thing.

blacktruck18 > G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 11/25/2014 at 14:49

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I approve this message.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Party-vi 11/25/2014 at 14:49

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*F-series. They count all of them, like they count their F-450 in the same class as the Ram 3500.

G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 > blacktruck18 11/25/2014 at 14:51

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She's beautiful.

blacktruck18 > Milky 11/25/2014 at 14:54

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Celebratory blackracetruck

Celebratory blackfuckmufflerstruck

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Milky 11/25/2014 at 14:54

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Considering that by the early 30s or so, "Dodge Brothers" was pretty much synonymous with "go ask those guys about trucks", the EVERYTHING IS RAM NOWZ strategy just puts me off like you wouldn't believe.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Nibbles 11/25/2014 at 14:57

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It doesn't scream "look at me, I'm flashy, check out my grill yo!" nearly as much.

blacktruck18 > G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 11/25/2014 at 14:59

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Thank you.

Party-vi > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 11/25/2014 at 15:00

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But the F450 is in the same class as the Ram 3500, isn't it?

Milky > Party-vi 11/25/2014 at 15:01

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Popular doesn't mean good.

ly2v8-Brian > Sweet Trav 11/25/2014 at 15:02

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Not that you couldn't put more in, but that's all that is rated for?

I'll just nod and agree with you on the other points. On cars I'm open and like a lot of things, but with trucks, only GM will do.

As Du Volant > Party-vi 11/25/2014 at 15:06

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From my experience selling trucks... people buy F150's because that's all they've ever bought, that's what their dad bought, that's what their grandfather bought, and their great-grandfather had a Model T.

Many people who have owned (or whose family has owned) at least one F150 will absolutely not consider anything else. They're the most fiercely loyal bunch of vehicle buyers I've ever encountered.

The F150 isn't a bad truck at all but I don't think it's the best. My company sells all three American brands and I have to say after driving all of them the Ram has it, hands down.

Party-vi > Milky 11/25/2014 at 15:06

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True-fact, but one Motor-Trend article isn't going to magically get RAM a few hundred thousand more truck sales.

Milky > Sweet Trav 11/25/2014 at 15:06

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Good point, the sbc will run forever. But then you have to consider how many of these are essentially cars for people ….

… which brings up the payload and how the Ram uses coils & air suspension to get that better ride. Also ford knows a thing or two about cheating truck categories. Not to mention the Silverado and Ram can tow about double what the F150 can.

EDIT: That name change, lol.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Party-vi 11/25/2014 at 15:08

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No, the F-350 is. 350/3500 is 1 ton, 450/4500 is 1.25 ton

Milky > blacktruck18 11/25/2014 at 15:09

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Dem noises

Party-vi > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 11/25/2014 at 15:09

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Essentially it's Ford saying the F450 is the best, while RAM whines that Ford is cheating by comparing the F450 to the RAM 3500. If RAM offered a 1.25T truck for passenger use it might be different.

Milky > Party-vi 11/25/2014 at 15:12

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I know, I've just always had a soft sport for the Ram ever since these days.

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Milky 11/25/2014 at 15:12

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I like the Ram with the Ecodiesel. Even as a Chevy guy it's a close battle between the too. Of course the truck I'd get would be a 3500 so it's really between the Cummins and the Duramax. That 100 extra torque is pretty neat for the new Cummins. But GM loyalties and the good towing capabilities of the Silverado.

Sweet Trav > ly2v8-Brian 11/25/2014 at 15:13

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blacktruck18 > Milky 11/25/2014 at 15:14

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I know right, I put the exhaust on about 6 months ago and I still smile every time I start my truck or wrap it out.

Sweet Trav > Milky 11/25/2014 at 15:14

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the beginning of the Bro-Truck

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Party-vi 11/25/2014 at 15:15

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Pretty much, but if you are going to compare trucks, be honest and use the truck that is in the same class. Ram also does have a 4500, but they sell it for what it is realistically used for, work.

Sweet Trav > Milky 11/25/2014 at 15:17

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If you want something that rides nice, but a 300, if you want a truck buy a truck.

I hate the softening a bro-ing of trucks. Trucks arent supposed to comfy daily drivers they are supposed to tools to get work done.

Milky > norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback 11/25/2014 at 15:19

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I also like how iirc its a worked over medium grade truck engine.

Godayyum.

Milky > Sweet Trav 11/25/2014 at 15:21

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Dont hate tha playa, hate the game.

Design sells, from wiki - "The redesigned 1994 Ram was a sales success, with sales rocketing from 78,000 units in 1993 to 240,000 in 1994, 410,000 in 1995, and nearly 480,000 in 1996."

nermal > Sweet Trav 11/25/2014 at 15:21

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Agreed, as much as I hate to admit it, that the GM trucks are the best buy of the 2015s. One of the big reasons for that is service. The 5.3 has been around for a while, and the techs at the dealers should know how to fix it if things go wrong. The 2.7l in the Ford is new, and the reliability of the Diesel in the Ram is questionable at best.
The Jeep Grand Cherokee with the same engine was rated one of the least reliable cars you can get get, due to problems with the engine and fuel system. Having experienced the Jeep dealers in my area with their *expertise* working on an older vehicle, no thanks trusting them with something new.

Sweet Trav > Milky 11/25/2014 at 15:23

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Despite the fact that they were generally awful trucks.

DoYouEvenShift > Milky 11/25/2014 at 15:23

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You know, say what you want. But living in Truckville, aka Texas. I have not seen a single ecodiesel Dodge. Tons of Ford ecoboost, and GM 5.3 and 6.2 trucks. And trucks make up 75% of the traffic here. Hemi Rams yes, but no ecodiesels.

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Milky 11/25/2014 at 15:24

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Jesus. Which engines are those? The big diesels or the ones in this test?

Sweet Trav > nermal 11/25/2014 at 15:24

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The key thing is that nothing will go wrong with the 5.3 for 300,000 miles. No turbos to burn up their bearings, no diesel issues, maybe some carbon cleaning because of the Direct Injection though.

Milky > Sweet Trav 11/25/2014 at 15:24

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I remember watching some interview videos with Ram execs and they planned the softening of the 1500 and the … er, hardening of the 25-3500. Gotta admit the are doing good at it.

Its all about them sales.

Milky > Sweet Trav 11/25/2014 at 15:26

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My dad had one and yes it went through a tranny …. besides that it awesome.

Sweet Trav > Milky 11/25/2014 at 15:28

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It's still gross.

Milky > DoYouEvenShift 11/25/2014 at 15:28

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Didn't they just hit the market this summer? I'd give it some time, you texans aren't exactly known for being open minded.

Sweet Trav > Milky 11/25/2014 at 15:29

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Really I saw 94's that were rusted through by 97.

BigBlock440 > Party-vi 11/25/2014 at 15:29

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*Ford whiners saying the Ram isn't best in class because the F-450 exists. It's like saying the F150 doesn't have best-in-class numbers because 3/4 tons exist.

Milky > norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback 11/25/2014 at 15:30

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Sorry should of clarified, the big diesels. You brought up the Cummins and my mind went straight there.

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Milky 11/25/2014 at 15:31

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Yeah, nice to see they all will last 200,000 or more miles. Could probably get a lot higher than those if it's really well maintained.

DoYouEvenShift > Milky 11/25/2014 at 15:32

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True, but people here want their shit yesterday. The Gen V GM trucks hit the lots very quickly after the release. Same with the ecoboost. If anything, you would think we would hate a turbo V6 in a pickup. Especially us closed minded rednecks. But nope, people love those things too.

Milky > norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback 11/25/2014 at 15:38

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Its just crazy how you can go over 1/3rd of a million miles before the Cummins Ram is like "all right, I need more than fluids and filters changed".

Party-vi > BigBlock440 11/25/2014 at 15:38

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I mean, they're not wrong are they? If RAM offered the 4500 as a passenger vehicle then Ford wouldn't be able to claim best in class.

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Milky 11/25/2014 at 15:40

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Yeah it is, I think I'd still take the GM because even with the 100 lb-ft defecit to the Cummins I think the towing capabilites of both with single wheels is pretty much the same.

nermal > Sweet Trav 11/25/2014 at 15:43

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Exactly. That and the cylinder-deactivation may cause some issues. But, like most things will be easily fixed with regular highway driving and full throttle acceleration.

Milky > Sweet Trav 11/25/2014 at 15:44

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Sweet Trav > nermal 11/25/2014 at 15:48

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i think cylinder deactivation has been in use since 2009. It is road tested enough for me

Milky > nermal 11/25/2014 at 15:50

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This mindset is how the Mustang got stuck with a live axle for a few decades after other cars ditched it.

Sweet Trav > Milky 11/25/2014 at 15:56

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Are you really going to try to argue that the small block Chevy and its derivatives are not the greatest engines ever made?

To assert otherwise would be patently false.

BigBlock440 > Party-vi 11/25/2014 at 15:59

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Sure. Also, if Ford offered a higher towing F-350, Ram wouldn't be able to claim best in class either. Ford was the one who threatened legal action to try and stop Ram from claiming best in class, even though the 3500 has a tow rating something like 3 tons over the F-350. If they'd have called it the F-350 max tow package, nobody would have noticed.

Not that it actually matters anyway. There's also the argument that Ford uses a different rating system, not the J2807 standard, but then, they've never used the same ratings before, so why would it matter now.

nermal > Milky 11/25/2014 at 16:01

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I don't think it's so much that, as it is not wanting to be a "paid beta tester" on a new $50k truck.

Especially when you have Chrysler mechanics to rely on to fix it if it breaks, and you've already had a bad experience using them before. That's where my mindset comes from.

DoYouEvenShift > Milky 11/25/2014 at 16:01

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Also another thing working against it is that diesel has stayed around 3.60-4.00 a gallon for several years now. Gas is at 2.30 right now, but who knows what will happen there. Then you throw in the diesel exhaust fluid, and its a turnoff.

I'm not saying Im for or against the ecodiesel, as I havent driven one. But that's what I've heard others say.

Milky > Sweet Trav 11/25/2014 at 16:09

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No should ever argue against the SBC, I'm arguing against the "if it aint broke don't fix it" mindset.

Milky > nermal 11/25/2014 at 16:11

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Can you believe Mercedes put turbos in the new AMG GT? Putting unproven tech in a $100k car?!

Don't worry though, found your next SUV.

Sweet Trav > Milky 11/25/2014 at 16:12

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yes

Milky > DoYouEvenShift 11/25/2014 at 16:15

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Yea that is going against the Ecodiesel, but like you said, who knows where gases prices will go.

Party-vi > BigBlock440 11/25/2014 at 16:17

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Ford says they use the J2807 standard on the F450, but not their other vehicles. RAM apparently uses it on all their trucks.

nermal > Milky 11/25/2014 at 16:56

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Nah. I just got a new truck recently (GM), but I'd trade it a heartbeat for one of these:

BigBlock440 > Party-vi 11/25/2014 at 19:30

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They say that, but last I checked, I couldn't figure out how. (ignoring the fact that J2807 specifically calls out trucks under 13,000 GVWR) Conventional "wisdom" puts goosneck or 5th wheel at 20% tongue weight (I thought I saw it in the standard as well, but don't feel like looking through it right now), which at 31,500 lbs is much higher than the 5k+ payload of the F450.

Edit: I did just check Ford's website, and they do now have trucks with 7000 lbs payload, so that would cover the 20% of the 31K, but max listed a few months ago was only 5K payload. Regardless, still a hell of a lot and will do whatever you want it to.

BigBlock440 > Sweet Trav 11/25/2014 at 19:35

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Mine's just starting to rust* and it's a '97 with 178K. Also on the original transmission.

*rust means something different to the Northern half of the country. Brake lines and fuel tank straps are in need of replacement, but fenders just started rusting through.